Apparently, I'm a worthless piece of shit.

Posted on 2002/10/17 19:49:02 (October 2002) by john.

According to an irrate consultant.

If you recall my earlier posting about the US military wanting to get hold of my source code. I'd sent a short but polite email back to the consultant saying that I wouldn't work for the military. I hadn't checked that particular account for a while, and I finally got round to it today. There was a somewhat less than courteous reply waiting for me:

John - Have a look around you. Where you live and where you work.
Do you see any swastikas, or anyone uttering the words "Hail Hitler"?
Do you know who you have to thank for that?
In the name of every American that gave their life so you can live free, you can go fuck yourself, you worthless piece of shit.

To be honest, I was really upset by this. I guess I take stuff to heart too much. This was quite possibly the harshest email, or indeed letter of any kind, I'd ever received. The bit about the Americans giving their lives for me to be free is a bit hard to argue with though isn't it? The loss of life on both sides of world war II was a terrible thing, undoubtedly. Yes, I have a wonderful quality of life, which I probably don't deserve. However, and I don't mean any disrespect, or to sound ungrateful, but, I have a very strong belief that violence is never going to be a permanent solution to any problem. Yes, it's a temporary fix. You defeat the aggressor and for a while, there is tranquility. Then another aggressor comes along and it starts all over again. Meanwhile, millions of completely innocent people have been killed in the process. The only way to bring about peace permanently is through understanding, communication and integration of all the world's peoples, races and religion. In a sense, I owe a huge debt that I can never truly repay to those Americans (and other nation's soldiers) who, I'm told, gave their life for my freedom. But at what price? The Germans and the Japanese are not evil people, except for a tiny minority at the time who were regrettably able to wield great power over the rest of them. The belief that people can be evil purely based on their nationality is little short of racism. Every German or Japanese person killed by allied forces, apparently in my name, would have had a mother and father, and very possibly a wife and children. The loss to their families was every bit as terrible as the loss suffered by families in America and Britain. Had I been alive at the time, and asked personally if I wanted this, I would have said no. Ultimately, it cannot work any other way. Whilst we continue to justify violence with all manner of ifs and buts it will continue to plague our lives and the lives of our children indefinitely. I am not a wonderful human being, just an average person, but if I am capable of thinking beyond those limited horizons, then I believe everyone on the planet is too.

It really saddens me that someone should be so offended by another individual believing in peace.

I wonder if you can sue him (or his company) for abusive behaviour? Now that is a war worth fighting!

Posted by rowanboy at 2002/10/18 09:07:21.

Yeah, it isn't exactly very professional behaviour is it?

Posted by john at 2002/10/18 13:34:37.

It would be nice to meet an American who isn't a war mongering psychopath. I'm sure there must be some.

Posted by Mike at 2002/10/18 13:51:26.

An irony here is that we all have benefited from military development. Wasn't the internet (DOD) TCP/IP etc brought about because of the military?

However, fair play to you standing by your principles what ever they may be.

Posted by Karl at 2002/10/18 15:23:38.

Bloody Americans - they always think the world owes them something! I don't know where this guy gets his history lessons, but it's certainly not the same place as the rest of the world. To suggest that the Americans were solely responsible for defeating the Nazis (and this *is* what he's implying) is preposterous. He's obviously been watching too many Hollywood movies about how the Americans save the World every other weekend. His arrogance is truly breathtaking. Its is self-important, ill-informed attitudes such as this which result in America being hated throughout the World. Wake up and smell the coffee, Americans! If your country was really that great, I'm sure it would be able to withstand a little criticism and rejection.

Posted by Jimmy at 2002/10/18 15:28:06.

With the TCP/IP thing, I'm sure a lot of the work done on that and the surrounding technology was by non-military personnel, and as for the rest, it's been a long running theme of society that the military have hijacked the best thinkers to use for their own ends. I think it's OK that we're now putting their efforts to good use rather than bad. Anyway, I think the internet would still have been invented without military intervention. In fact, it has been with us a lot longer than you think. Take internet chatrooms, for example. In Victorian times, telegraph operators used to chat with each other over the cables when they weren't busy. Then of course there was CB radio, and Minitel in France. There's plenty of totally non-military inventions that would have had the internet as we know it as their natural successor.

Posted by john at 2002/10/18 16:16:21.

But all of that aside, I do appreciate the irony nonetheless.

Posted by john at 2002/10/18 16:21:04.

I'm an American *waves hands all around*.
I totally feel the same way as you John.
Fighting is bull shit.
Communication is the key.
Yet people would rather blast guns and kill then use words.
Words speak so much more don't they?
So here you all meet an American who isn't a "war mongering psychopath" (to quote the words of Mike).
To tell you the truth I am rather pissed off to even admit that I am an american.
I am ashamed to be an American.
Not to many of us would admit that.
We are fed garbage and crap to eat in our history lessons in school.
We are always told that we are the ultimate power and blah, blah,blah.
I'm sorry but there are other countries out there as well.
There are others who are effected by all of this fucking fighting.
Doesn't the fucking government think that people feel?
I mean I would hate to be one of the soldiers fighting.
I know that I couldn't do my job.
I could never pull the trigger.
We never just talk.
When we do America always, fucking always has to be right.
Can't we just be wrong for once?
It's like a fucking popularity contest all the time.
Ohh let's see who can save the world.
Well I'm sorry but fighting isn't saving the world.
It's just teaching future generations that violence is the fucking answer to everything.
It's not.
Communication is the damn key.
We never communicate.
Fucking communicate this Mr. President * Flips him the bird*.
As you can see I am rather pissed with him and all of his shit.
Oh we are such a peacefull nation crap.
Blow it out your fucking white biggoted ass please Bush.
Stop fucking with things and communicate.
OK I am going on an anger walk now to calm myself.

By the way that e-mail was way out of line.
Your so not a worthless peice of shit.
I admire your thinking.
You are a person with an open mind and lots of heart.
a huge plus in my book.

Posted by Kitty at 2002/10/18 18:06:48.

I agree with your suggestion about parallel development, but my statement is still accurate.

I believe the one thing that upset angry@usa was the abbreviation ‘U.S.’. Had that not been there, I doubt he would have been so abusive. I am also confused at the ferocity of his attack. The reason we went to war was that people’s wealth was threatened. The world ignored the fact that thousands of civilians were being murdered. Had AH not invaded Poland, the war would not have started, yet the persecution would have continued while the rest of Europe and the US looked away.

However, why can’t the warmongers of both sides be first in to battle when war is announced?

I find the pacifist argument difficult to conclude for myself. On one hand I understand the logic in, ‘when at peace, prepare for war’, however, why should people die over ideals (religion, political doctrine, etc.)?

The fact remains people exist with perverse ideals.

Posted by Karl at 2002/10/18 18:17:48.

Kitty - thanks! I really appreciated your words. I knew there were some good Americans! I'm sure there's actually millions of them, but unfortunately they're not the ones running the country, and over here, we don't often seem to hear them speaking out.

Posted by john at 2002/10/19 19:18:02.

John, I am a little concerned (not surprised) with your response to this email. Perhaps, you should switch on Version 2 for a second and think a little about the person who sent it.

*For those arguing the existence of military technology in society and whether or not the USA are warmongers, my addition is a totally different, perhaps more personal, slant*

You mention yourself that you are taking it all a little to much to heart, and I am afraid I agree. You should not concern yourself with someone who writes "In the name of every American that gave their life so you can live free, you can go fuck yourself". Does this really sound like a consultant for the military, US or any? Would you get Byrnie sending you a reply like this? This is not the language of anyone in military software consultancy. This is the language of a charlatan (not a 90s indie group) who has failed in what they thought was a patriotic rouse to get you to unlock some of your breathtaking code. As ego-boosting as the initial request was, this bogus reply somewhat invalidates their allegded high status position.

Therefore, I think you should not deal with this comment at all, but file it with all the meaningless rubbish we all too often get thrown into our inboxes. If a scally child from the Oxford Road with half a GCSE in Applied Bricklaying (E) told you that you were a meaningless piece of shit, you would shrug it off. However, this would have more meaning and impact than this fool whose failed scam has pushed them to the point of revealling their stupidity.

You're acting as if it was a Peer who has sent you this. If Dave Corne wrote you this email, then I would console you by getting you drunk in the Iguana on Bitter Johnnies (usual photos to boot)! Pull yourself together, you're not worthless, you're not a piece of shit and you certainly can not 'fuck' yourself (biologically). Do not concern you with the millions that died in wars past, they died for freedom which is being able to choose one's own path, not allowing yourself to be bullied by some inbred halfwit who can barely manipulate English to formulate a cuss of illiterate proportion.

Posted by Rob Lang at 2002/10/21 12:56:29.

It is impossible to have sexual relations with a non-entity such as 'Off'.

Posted by Bruce at 2002/10/21 24:56:39.

Well, I still love you john . . . Now about that evening of hardcore Melanzana e Pomodoro Parmigiana and a tipple of Casanova di Neri Brunello di Montalcino Riserva Cerretalto we were going to talk about . . .

Posted by Marky at 2002/10/22 15:35:24.

"Do you know who you have to thank for that?" Gosh, I can almost feel the 'smug' oozing out from that line of text. I can see the gloating freak sitting there glowing with an aura of misplaced self-importance. It's people like this that I hate. People like this that know absolutely nothing about the history of war except for the fact that their side was there and that they killed a lot of people. This person knows nothing. This person was just annoyed that you wouldn't do what they wanted. I expect they're used to getting their own way and when that doesn't happen the rattle's truly thrown from the pram.

"In the name of every American that gave their life so you can live free, you can go fuck yourself, you worthless piece of shit." If this person could name me one American that gave their life i'd be utterly astonished. I'm British. I was born in Britain, that's where the bond is broken. I am not my country. I am me. How much of a non-entity must a person be to fall into rank with the drones of it's state just to give credence to what amounts to an utterly moot point. I think your standing on this issue really irked them. Your strength of character and your morality got right under their skin and their simple logic didn't know how to deal with it. Hence the verbal abuse.

John, if you took this to heart then you should be ashamed of yourself. Very few people can retain their values when offered cold, hard cash. You did.

Posted by Rusty at 2002/10/23 12:06:32.

John, the interpretation of this consultants brain is: The lighting is bad and there is no atmosphere.


The obvious retort would be:
No swastika's here boy. You can thank your father for turning up late in the war, oh and remember that each morning when you look in the mirror there will just be a giant twat staring back.

P.S. it's no wonder that the letters unct are in consultant.

P.P.S. \He is gay

Posted by Jon (E) at 2002/10/31 20:24:42.

John, the interpretation of this consultants brain is: The lighting is bad and there is no atmosphere.

The obvious retort would be:
No swastika's here boy. You can thank your father for turning up late in the war, oh and remember that each morning when you look in the mirror there will just be a giant twat staring back.

P.S. it's no wonder that the letters unct are in consultant.

P.P.S. He is gay

Posted by Jon (E) at 2002/10/31 20:25:58.

John, the interpretation of this consultants brain is: The lighting is bad and there is no atmosphere.

The obvious retort would be:
No swastika's here boy. You can thank your father for turning up late in the war, oh and remember that each morning when you look in the mirror there will just be a giant twat staring back.

P.S. it's no wonder that the letters unct are in consultant.

P.P.S. He is gay

Posted by Jon at 2002/10/31 20:26:50.

For what they're worth, these are my opinions on this little piece of drama.

Americans who say things like "we won the war" and "you guys all ran like women at the sound of gunfire" are ignorant and stupid. Yes, we do owe them something for stepping into the European theatre in World War II, as there was pretty much fuck all we could have done againts the Germans in the long-term; they controlled most of Europe, and were starving us out with a U-Boat naval blockade. They were richer, had more men and materiele than we did, and were therefore a lot better positioned to do us in than we were to resist, and the Russians under Stalin are not really the sort of folk you want to trust running Europe, which is probably what they would have done had they beaten the Germans and the Americans hadn't stepped in. Look what they did behind the Iron Curtain (not that I'm saying communism is bad because it's not, but it is far too easily abused). I will readily admit that to anyone American or otherwise who asks me and argues with me about World War II. However, the way this idiot is using the American war effort is insulting to every soldier who died for their cause in World War II. Yes, they helped win the war, but they didn't WIN the war; our soldiers were fighting Germany for a full 5 years before they even bothered to turn up, as were the French, Dutch, Belgians and the other resistance groups in the occupied lands. If the Yanks hadn't come over, the Russians would have trampled Germany, because the German industrial sector hadn't even switched to a full war footing until after the Americans intervened (by which time it was too little, too late). It's also an insult to the Americans who died; does any sane person think for a single second these men fought, suffered and died over here so that ignorant cunts could use their efforts as a stock argument against Europeans? The way this moron is using the sacrifice his countrymen made is the same way I use the phrase "You smell of poo"; it's a reflex, a trivial little thing you throw into an argument when you have nothing better to say, and he probably needs to be informed of this.

However, you also seem very anti-military. Whilst I agree to some extent that violence often solves nothing, and I agree totally that wars bring nothing but anguish and distress to anyone even remotely involved with them (my brother is in the Royal Logistics Corps, and has served in Northern Ireland several times as well as in Kosovo and the Gulf War; during all of which, our family was wracked with worry about him, soft shite that he is), you have to admit that no matter what, there will ALWAYS be someone somewhere willing to use violence who will not listen to reason. The only thing they understand is violence, and therefore, a military is neccesary. I agree, I probably wouldn't have to worry about my brother if there were no wars and no armies, but that's not going to happen. As it stands, I am immensely proud of both my brother and every other British serviceman and woman (even though they are all drunken brawl-masters), even though wars and shit do make me worry, because I know that what they are doing is keeping me safe and allowing me to have the freedom and other such nice things that I take for granted; it's also what they want to do, and it's something worth doing. This may seem over-romanticised and there will be a lot of people who will be thinking I'm talking shite, and although I understand where that is coming from, you have to appreciate the fact that there ARE some squaddies and ruperts in the forces who still have these old fashioned and romantic ideals, and sign up purely because they want to uphold them.

Anyway I've started to chat poo now.

You should probably remind Mister Cunt-Sultan that it was the British who invented America. And while you're at it, point out that we burned DC to the floor in 1812.

Posted by Charlie at 2002/11/02 20:21:44.

I'm an American who isn't a war mongering psychopath. I just masterbate alooooot!

Posted by kodi at 2002/12/04 03:58:42.

Apparently im a worthless peace of shit for just sitting here, and telling u!! but gives a fick, eh?¿
got Aol Instant Messenger?
IM me @ FWILDCAT19

Posted by Jerry at 2002/12/08 19:41:00.

i was just kidding
:-D hahahahaha

Posted by Jerry at 2002/12/08 19:41:59.

If the military wants your source code this sounds like WWII Germany to me. Besides Hitler's rise to power was just as legimate as Bush's. Isn't it funny that it was wrong for the German government to control people's lives but it is considered democracy when the American government does it. Hail Hitler or Hail Bush - both blind, both ignornant and both stupied and both sound very American.

Posted by Larry at 2004/09/16 19:03:26.

If the military wants your source code this sounds like WWII Germany to me. Besides Hitler's rise to power was just as legimate as Bush's. Isn't it funny that it was wrong for the German government to control people's lives but it is considered democracy when the American government does it. Hail Hitler or Hail Bush - both blind, both ignornant and both stupied and both sound very American

Posted by Larry at 2004/09/16 19:04:08.

I can understand. You see, I am a stupid, fuck-up, worthless pice of shit whore cunt loser myself.

I work at a biology lab, where I boss people around to compensate for my worthless ways. I fear that one day the people I have maltreated will put a bullet up my ass, but I secretly welcome this, as I wish to just die.

I am also a racist, who thinks blacks are second-class citizens and have problems with other women. This is why I sleep around the way I do.

Posted by Julia Stable at 2005/12/16 06:07:29.

I can understand. You see, I am a stupid, fuck-up, worthless pice of shit whore cunt loser myself.

I work at a biology lab, where I boss people around to compensate for my worthless ways. I fear that one day the people I have maltreated will put a bullet up my ass, but I secretly welcome this, as I wish to just die.

I am also a racist, who thinks blacks are second-class citizens and have problems with other women. This is why I sleep around the way I do.

Posted by Julia Stable at 2005/12/16 06:07:45.

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