It's actually bloody efficiently written and has a load of maths in it to delay image loading until absolutely necessary. For example, you can do any arbitrary series of transformations and it works out internally what the corresponding compound transformation is. This is not that easy! Can you tell me what a transpose followed by a horizontal flip followed by rotating 90 degrees followed by a transverse is equivalent to? I bloody well can't! But my program can. So it doesn't actually have to transform the image as it goes along, just records and updates an offset from the original transformation. Then when you choose save it does the transformation file - to - file without ever decompressing the main image into a bitmap. This is bloody awkward to write. No I don't use HBITMAP as anyone that has ever done anything worthwhile in Visual C knows these are really restrictive. The "John Hawkins" structure you describe is a totally sensible straight-forward way of storing bitmap data internally. The same way PhotoShop and PaintShop do it. No it doesn't have anything ported from Miranda or Gopher. Now you could either be a pain in the arse and continue to critcise something that is actually very good or you could actually be useful and tell me what you did when you got such a high virtual memory takeup, because I haven't as yet been able to re-create that - it works fine on my machine. In fact, it works fine on all three machines I've used it on, all with different operating systems.
John
- Tue Oct 31 11:19:23 2000

Are you using handles to OS provided picture holding objects or are you holding the picture in a John Hawkins data-structure? Was this entire project ported from Miranda/Gopher?
DSP
- Tue Oct 31 09:10:02 2000

Hmmmm Tim don't really understand what you're doing to use up so much virtual memory. I've got a directory of about 100 640x480 images here and I've done lots of different operations on the whole set at a time and not managed to get above about 12 meg, which seems not unreasonable as its got 100 160x120 thumbnails in memory as 24 bit bitmaps - you need them like this to display them. That in itself accounts for about 6 meg...
John
- Mon Oct 30 16:30:21 2000

John: It would be a mistake on mybehalf. When you sent me the e-mail message about www.maison-de-stuff.net I thought It was a message board addition and then saw your comment underneath here and thought that you had changed the HTML on this page. P.S. Simon Watson really should pick up his e-mails, don't you think
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 16:10:49 2000

Tim, the pictures you got from Aliens have got some interesting Photoshop information including thumbnails and stuff. You might want to have a peek at them with my program. Hmmm about the virtual memory thing, how do you find this out - are you using NT/2000 or 95/98? Hmmm I'll have to look into this...
Jon, I LOVE YOU. P.S. Whats all this about me changing underlying HTML or something?
John
- Mon Oct 30 16:04:52 2000

Don't know what you're talking about Tim. It works fine on my machine :)
John
- Mon Oct 30 16:01:01 2000

John: You've also missed a semi-colon off the third line.
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 15:39:36 2000

More than likely it's because your browser is trying to find Tom's broken image.
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 15:38:31 2000

OI. Don't change the HTML behind the scenes Hawkins or I'll give you a SLAP.
JAE.
- Mon Oct 30 15:37:20 2000

How dare you insinuate that www.maison-de-stuff is slow? Actually it is ever so slightly but not enough to notice really. Won't anyone I.e. Tim or John say that they love me? I've been fishing for the compliment all bloody day and to be quite honest am getting hacked off. (Nah, only joking)
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 15:36:18 2000

Now this is where you're wrong. It's not slow at all. Fact.
John
- Mon Oct 30 15:04:01 2000

Its has currently consumed a virtual memory size of 293,716 KB!!! My poor little lap top!
DSP
- Mon Oct 30 15:02:02 2000

John, love the thumbnailing feature! (About to spill your pint) You clearly need to nick an algorithm off Bird and/or Waddler as its a bit processor hungry isn't it? (deliberately trying to boil your piss) Probably shoddy code in there somewhere.
DSP
- Mon Oct 30 15:00:50 2000

Tim: Your joke was very funny and I've just realised that I love you too.
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 14:51:02 2000

John: The camera is a Ricoh that's Ricoh 5300. It has internal memory (8Mb) and a smartmedia port for more memory. It is a good camera and I love you.
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 14:48:17 2000

That message should really have ended with :
Hmmnph.
Superseed Boy
- Mon Oct 30 14:46:38 2000

What manner of camera is that then Jon? So is the internal memory something in addition to the memory card? Whats that for? What type of memory card is it - smart media, compact flash, memory stick...?
John
- Mon Oct 30 14:46:08 2000

My internal memory on the digital camera, because it has wicked driver software comes up as my drive I: my memory card comes up as drive J:
.
- Mon Oct 30 14:41:53 2000

P.S. You'll have to then do a Save Changes if you want the images written to disk with their lovely new inline thumbnails. Maybe a good idea to work on copies if the images are important at all. After you've saved the changes, double click the images in the browser and hey presto they'll be loaded up and you'll be able to snoop around the new marker sections, thumbnails and all.
John
- Mon Oct 30 14:41:17 2000

News just in!
The hacker penetration of Microsoft's computer systems was aided by a physically break-in, security sources from Microsoft revealed last night. Apparently the morning after, windows 95, 98 and 2000 were found open.
DSP
- Mon Oct 30 14:39:05 2000

It can create those inline thumbnails for you! Select the images in question, then go to the browse/thumbnails menu and choose Create Inline... You'll get a dialog to let you choose the sort of scaling and type of thumbnail... Scaling maybe easiest to go for "percent of original" say 25% x 25%. For the type of thumbnail, EXIF is probably best, and I'd go for a JPEG rather than a bitmap unless you wanted Huffman and the boys round your house tonight.
John
- Mon Oct 30 14:38:16 2000

Just loaded it. Nice UI! The JPEG it was looking at don't have inline thumbnails, so I just see empty rectangles :-(
DSP
- Mon Oct 30 14:32:49 2000

Probably won't be much fun unless you've got some pictures to fiddle about with!
John
- Mon Oct 30 14:28:02 2000

s'alright John, just got it...
DSP
- Mon Oct 30 14:21:37 2000

Errrr... is your address still the same? Maybe you could send me a mail at my Reading address (or South Bank address, just replace rdg with sbu), and I'll reply attaching the program...
John
- Mon Oct 30 14:19:04 2000

John. Due to intranet/internet crapness here, I'd love it if u could email a copy to me. Cheers mate!
DSP
- Mon Oct 30 14:03:33 2000

Not quite sure what you mean by it is just a couple of drives on your PC...??
John
- Mon Oct 30 13:37:31 2000

I have the digital camera and yes your program would be extremely usefull to me. Especially as mine is just a couple of drives on my P.C. I LOVE IT. (Nearly as much as I love you)
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 13:30:30 2000

I had one a while ago but it was only in the corner of my toe so it wasn't too bad. I managed to cut that one out. Hmmm, Nice.
.
- Mon Oct 30 13:29:10 2000

Hey Jon you have a digital camera don't you? My program would be really handy for you I bet!
John
- Mon Oct 30 13:25:17 2000

Cheers Jon. Erm, actually both of my big toes have in-growing nails. Which is not so nice.
John
- Mon Oct 30 13:19:15 2000

Why your right foot?
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 13:17:22 2000

I haven't downloaded it yet. I was busy. But I did have a look at the screenshot. V. Nice. Especially looking at the file header to see who has the copyright etc...
JAE
- Mon Oct 30 13:16:38 2000

Did anyone have a look at my program?
John
- Mon Oct 30 13:08:30 2000

I'd like to announce that my right foot bloody well hurts. Thankyou.
John
- Mon Oct 30 11:59:52 2000

Good morning to all my Southern counter-parts! Terribly sorry to hear about all your strong winds/fallen over trees and busted river-banks! <BABS>This should certainly make the next few weeks interesting!</BABS>
DSP
- Mon Oct 30 09:50:45 2000

Easy tiger!
DSP
- Fri Oct 27 16:01:14 2000

Hmmm, Lasagne.
Garfield (AKA. JAE)
- Fri Oct 27 15:59:26 2000

Obviously Mrs Ahmed wasn't aware of what John had just said and so this is not a remark of John leaving. It was meant as a joke against our joint landlord. IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE.
Jon E
- Fri Oct 27 15:58:59 2000

Oh. I see. No don't bother explaining. No I get it. Yes you do what you want to do and don't even think about the effect it is having on the children. Well I hope little Aswali doesn't grow up like his rent sucking father.
Mrs Ahmad
- Fri Oct 27 15:57:10 2000

So when are you thinking of coming Tim? Give me a call as I have to leave now, and probably won't check the board/email again until monday.... Nice!
John
- Fri Oct 27 15:53:22 2000

Yes. This is partially a lie, however, given that saying no might dissuade you from visiting I'm sticking with yes.
John
- Fri Oct 27 15:51:45 2000

John! Have you sorted that parking space outside you chic London residence?
DSP
- Fri Oct 27 15:50:32 2000

I've noticed a trend recently of whenever I start adding to the message board, everyone else stops. Is there something I should know? Or is it just that it's Friday afternoon and you're all pissed?
John
- Fri Oct 27 15:48:03 2000

Blimey- I'm King River Gold (?). Now there's an unusual example of fermented curd if ever I heard one.
John
- Fri Oct 27 15:01:44 2000

By the way, if you go to the software section, there's a (very) beta release of my lovely program for messing about with JPEGs (possibly from your digitial camera), or wherever else. Be warned that it's quite buggy and lots of bits don't work yet.
John
- Fri Oct 27 14:15:11 2000

Weird - just last night I was talking about how I rate supermarkets by the type of cheeses available. If any of you are thinking I'm immeasurably sad then A) you're correct and B) yes I do fucking well know it.
John
- Fri Oct 27 13:30:38 2000

And Mine is Gouda. That's Gouda.
Jon E
- Fri Oct 27 11:54:52 2000

What's everyone's Cheese Rating?
Mine's Red Leicester.

BTW if you think I'm being quiet next week, it's cos I'll be in Gran Canaria.
Graf <graf@altavista.net>
- Fri Oct 27 11:48:51 2000

When snitch-boy gets his PhD, I think he should donate the Dr. bits to Simon. I always think of him when I get serious (or unmanigable) errors.
DSP
- Fri Oct 27 10:05:51 2000

A Test
- Fri Oct 27 10:03:42 2000

Mr Watson is in need of picking up his e-mails from his home account. OI Watson NO.
Jon E
- Fri Oct 27 10:02:27 2000

rowanboy
- Thu Oct 26 14:51:14 2000

As if by magic, the ginger appeared.
Rob Lang <icar@icar.co.uk>
- Thu Oct 26 14:49:11 2000

I am so here! as always!
DSP
- Thu Oct 26 13:42:49 2000

Nope.
graf <graf@altavista.net>
- Thu Oct 26 13:23:21 2000

IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?!
rowanboy
- Thu Oct 26 12:35:29 2000

The WHOLE world can't be shit can it John?
rowanboy
- Thu Oct 26 10:00:23 2000

Well at least the entire world's not totally shit then.
John
- Wed Oct 25 17:37:22 2000

You're damn right.
JAE
- Wed Oct 25 10:12:21 2000

I take it all back Jon! You are indeed the man!
DSP
- Wed Oct 25 10:02:33 2000

And about time to.
JAE
- Wed Oct 25 09:42:02 2000

I think I might be getting emails...
DSP
- Wed Oct 25 09:36:31 2000

I got really irritated with it after a short while - some of the pictures were models and stuff. I gave them all one... out of ten.
John
- Tue Oct 24 15:21:53 2000

You bastard Hastings... http://www.amiHOTorNOT.com/ has got me too!
rowanboy
- Tue Oct 24 14:57:43 2000

...and it was a litre bottle too.. ouch
Better news is that my Sparc 5 has arrived. :-)
rowanboy
- Tue Oct 24 14:46:44 2000

I am really beginning to wish that I hadn't drunk half a bottle of wine followed by 3/4 of a bottle of special reserve port last night.
rowanboy
- Tue Oct 24 14:45:13 2000

Tim: I think the honorable Mr. Ellis was referring to adding you to the mailing list...
John
- Tue Oct 24 13:53:35 2000

Afternoon lethargy syndrome is setting in prematurely. Help.
John
- Tue Oct 24 13:52:07 2000

First does what work?
Secondly, if it did work, how would I know?
Thirdly, if its anything to do with you, I fucking doubt it!
Finally, MIOW!!!
DSP
- Tue Oct 24 13:41:53 2000

The SouthBank-Irritation-o-meter is at about 75% today. 80% or above and I go home. 90% and I begin to seriously consider an act of arson.
John
- Mon Oct 23 12:58:08 2000

Tim, Can I ask the question?
Does this work?

Obviously this is 2 questions but I really can't be arsed.
JAE
- Mon Oct 23 08:56:50 2000

I don't know if the pound sign works, so please imagine the dollar sign to be equivalent. Ahem, went to the casino last Friday night, and won 250 whole English pounds Sterling. Can you imagine that!?!?! Went again last Friday night and won 45 whole pounds! I feel another addiction coming on. I think that I'm now just about up on what I've lost to Snitch-Boy.
DSP
- Sun Oct 22 11:37:49 2000

Hello, my name is dsp. And... And... And I'm completely addicted to Am I Hot or Not?
DSP
- Sun Oct 22 11:35:10 2000

I think I've just myself wide open for a counter *PATRONISE* attack! Havn't I boys and girls?
DSP
- Sun Oct 22 11:34:06 2000

>PATRONISE<Jon. Now come on. When you send me an email, what email address do you send it to?>/PATRONISE<
DSP <tim.hastings@uk.anker-systems.com>
- Sun Oct 22 11:32:58 2000

Well John, I've now removed Tim's none working e-mail address from the script. TIM please give me another e-mail address which works. (Anger kind of involved but obviously in a friendly manner.)
JAE
- Fri Oct 20 15:33:49 2000

P.S. mnph.
John
- Fri Oct 20 15:22:28 2000

Why am I getting bombarded with mail delivery failures? Can't we pipe them off to null or something?
John
- Fri Oct 20 15:21:46 2000

Q) How do you get Pikachoo on a train?
A) Pokemon.

Do you get it?
Dad Joke Man
- Fri Oct 20 08:04:04 2000

Tim, still having problems with your e-mail address please double check it.
JAE
- Fri Oct 20 08:01:57 2000

Tim, Do you mean like this?
JAE
- Thu Oct 19 08:18:41 2000

PPS. Are you ready for an update of music? I've got lots of nice stuff if you want? Want it do you? Do you want it? Ooooh!
DSP
- Wed Oct 18 21:25:07 2000

Something like a Jonathan!
Hey Jon! The reason I've not replied sooner, is that I've no idea when messages get added, so I forget. OK?
It would be very nice if you could arrange (via the use of mirrors if necessary) for messages to be forwarded to the email address stated.
Cheers dears!
PS. WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
DSP <dsp@twotech-fx.com>
- Wed Oct 18 21:22:22 2000

The piano that John Lennon wrote Imagine on sold for 1.4 million pounds yesterday. A song that includes the words "Imagine no possessions". Now Miss Morisette, that's ironic.
John
- Wed Oct 18 13:47:49 2000

Alright there Tim, as It appears you don't care for me anymore, just reply and say that this message has reached you via the medium of e-mail and paper cuts.
JAE
- Mon Oct 16 11:45:02 2000

Not as good as my email address, which is just the empty string. Convenient really, every time I forget to fill in a recipient's address, the mail gets sent back to me by default. Mnph.
John
- Mon Oct 16 10:44:21 2000

T
T
- Mon Oct 16 10:25:44 2000

Tim, please give me your e-mail address preference so that I can send you anoying e-mails from the message board.
JAE
- Mon Oct 16 10:20:33 2000

Oh, I'm sorry, I have a cold.
DSP
- Mon Oct 16 09:26:54 2000

I had a pain au chocolat for lunch today. Which was nice.
John
- Fri Oct 13 18:19:43 2000

So not a lot's been added since Wednesday. Or have I been had by the cache monster? Hmmmm.
John
- Fri Oct 13 12:13:45 2000

I think the that http://www.maison-de-stuff.net should also be available as http://www.the-all-new.maison-de-stuff.net. JAE make it so.
ASP (formerly known as DSP)
- Wed Oct 11 10:46:12 2000

Girlfriend update. Shit. Well, frankly, I'm treated like a mushroom at the moment (kept in the dark and fed a bit of shit every so often). She's trying to decide whether she wants to continue going out with me (she doesn't want to loose me) or become single (as she feels that she can't stay faithful). Shit. Well. I should find out today, but the smart money is not on me having a girlfriend by Friday.
Rob Lang <icar@icar.co.uk>
Madlab, Reading - Wed Oct 11 09:33:31 2000

I'd like to offically change Dr Sneeky Peek to... Ampersand Sneeky Peek, for the initials only.
ASP
- Tue Oct 10 14:23:06 2000

ASP totally floats my boat!
DSP
- Tue Oct 10 14:21:43 2000

I've, like, so missed loads of messages on the new board. I need a cgi-email link please JAE or veggie-cat-lovin-snithc-boy?
DSP
- Tue Oct 10 14:21:11 2000

That must make absolutely no sense, unless you read Andy's last message on the msg board. Sorry.
DSP
- Tue Oct 10 14:18:15 2000

I resent the last remark about dumb AOL users
Many thanks,
dsp@aol.com
(username: dsp, password: 1234)
DSP
- Tue Oct 10 14:17:45 2000

...yeah, bloody firewall....
rowanboy
- Tue Oct 10 14:06:01 2000

People keep adding things to the old message board. How annoying! Must close it down soon... Trouble is that means a trip to Reading. Bloody firewall.
John
- Tue Oct 10 10:49:03 2000

Bugger. 9am tutorial.
John
- Tue Oct 10 09:00:15 2000

Rob... :-(
rowanboy
- Mon Oct 9 12:39:15 2000

Erm, sorry. Haven't got anything particularly helpful to say. Except "that's a bit of a bummer really".

Cheer yourself up by learning how to blend in with Dean and Nigel
Graf <graf@altavista.net>
- Mon Oct 9 11:38:28 2000

So, I had a lovely weekend which ended on Sunday with Kanako telling me that she's confused as she has a decision to make. After an hour of trying to get her to tell me what it is and much crying on her part, she informs me that there is another man. She had to decide over me, him or being single. Oh. Well, I then found out that she'd snogged him. I was willing to forgive that, as long as she never did it again. Then I found out she'd shagged him. Then I left.

Not really feeling too good this morning. Feel much like jacking it all in and becoming a monk. And she had the gaul to say she still loved me.
Rob Lang <icar@icar.co.uk>
Madlab, Reading - Mon Oct 9 09:51:23 2000

Nope it's me too.
Jon
- Fri Oct 6 18:21:35 2000

Right, so it's just me reading the board today then.
John
- Fri Oct 6 18:18:19 2000

Bloody hell - same site (Raj's if you hadn't guessed) has recent (?) picture of Omar... Nice!
John
- Fri Oct 6 15:47:15 2000

Exhaust pipe. No, sorry that is actually irrelevant. However, bugger, there is a picture of EVIL ALICE on the web, and you can find it here, if you dare.
John
- Fri Oct 6 15:45:50 2000

Had my first curry since moving to Hampstead last night. Bizarre, no lager louts singing, cussing the waiters or throwing up in the biryanis. A bit disappointing, really.
John
- Fri Oct 6 15:29:15 2000

Tim. Any chance you want to take a constructive approach to dealing with missing Clare: Coming to London and getting pissed?
John
- Thu Oct 5 13:09:42 2000

Doesn't appear to be fucked to me Jon, and the l/p are the same as the ones you originally told me... Err maybe, errr, maybe you just went mad temporarily.
John
- Thu Oct 5 13:08:04 2000

I am at home gagging to know what Tim's e-mail address is. John try and access the control panel, either I've forgotten L: and P: or it's fucked.
JAE
- Thu Oct 5 10:15:44 2000

That's great Tim, but there's no lighting and the atmosphere's terrible. Errr, or was that the other way round? Hmmm...
John
- Wed Oct 4 13:02:41 2000

Hi. Just wanted to wet everyone's appetite. Preview.
DSP
- Wed Oct 4 02:31:06 2000

OOps... Bit keen with the enter key there. Doh!
Mrs. Graf is a bit under the weather at the mo actually - she's had a bit of nasty bug. Which i think i might have caught now too. But other than that she's fine... In a fit of childishness we got The tigger Movie out last night.
Um, just a second. Not sure I should be admitting that. Oh well.
Graf <graf@altavista.net>
- Tue Oct 3 16:53:06 2000

Graf <graf@altavista.net>
- Tue Oct 3 16:50:00 2000

How's Mrs Graf?
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:43:59 2000

Graf - Both are mighty fine!
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:38:39 2000

<ANGRY>Oh forget it!</ANGRY>
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:29:23 2000

</ANGRY>Bugger</ANGRY>
I mean...
</DSP FLOOD>
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:28:49 2000

>/DSP FLOOD<
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:28:07 2000

DSP: Is it lancaster or Clare that's well nice? or both?
God I'm bored. And trying to put off ringing insurance companies.
Graf <graf@altavista.net>
- Tue Oct 3 16:27:27 2000

My name is not Raj. I may or may not destroy you.
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:24:46 2000

Could I be offically the first person to use the word 'Mango' on this message board. Arrr, thanks every so much.
OI! Hawkins! Get in the van!
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:24:07 2000

If Jon Ellis knew anything about shit, I'd be getting message board update emails.
P.S. I'm now waiting for a I know you and you're shit remark.
P.P.S. Its really anoying because...
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:20:55 2000

P.S. Howdy! Rowan-boyyyy and other unacknowledged remarks.
Clare's gone to Lancaster uni. Well nice.
To whom it may concern? How is free-lancing going?
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:19:14 2000

Its 'cos I'm black isn't it!
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:16:34 2000

Nice guys! Double dating and evryfing?
P.S. This board does not send me emails! :-(
DSP
- Tue Oct 3 16:15:27 2000

Mechanics? If it had anything to do with mechanics, then problems would be a lot bloody easier to fix. As far as romance goes, there's lots of it.
Rob Lang <icar@icar.co.uk>
Madlab, Reading - Tue Oct 3 10:14:59 2000

Awight there DSP!!
rowanboy
- Tue Oct 3 09:00:06 2000

P.P.S. Which university? Any chance it's a southern one?
John
- Tue Oct 3 08:56:29 2000

P.S. Aliens. MPEG. NIIIIIIIIIICE!
John
- Tue Oct 3 08:55:35 2000

I wonder if lexical iconography is a meaningful concept. If so, Tim has displayed good usage of it with the word "mechanics" below, which I think is great. Errr, I think the word girlfriend could be used, not inappropriately. If you like.
John
- Tue Oct 3 08:54:47 2000

And finally for this evening, Nice BA!
DSP
- Mon Oct 2 23:09:03 2000

I also seek clarification regarding the mechanics of Rob and John's 'relationship' with Chie and Kanako. I am willing to bet (the sum of one pound) that there is quite a high degree of romantic involvement. That's a high degree (kinda like a 1st -- but like the Murphy's). OH AYE!
DSP
- Mon Oct 2 23:08:47 2000

I would also like to bring to the public-domain the fact that I am slightly sulky because Clare has gone to university. :-(
DSP
- Mon Oct 2 23:05:21 2000

I wish to raise public spirit with the news that I am embarking on a personal project through the medium of internet to bring mpegs of the Aliens video to the world. I thank you.
DSP
- Mon Oct 2 23:04:32 2000

John, have you any plums?
JAE
- Mon Oct 2 15:39:26 2000

Oooh, the self archiving thing seems to have worked. Mostly. Errr September's messages are here, there should be a link to them really, errrr, I'll sort that out.
John
- Mon Oct 2 15:01:12 2000

Hungover. Still. Bugger.
John
- Mon Oct 2 14:58:26 2000